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dougoh
01-27-2010, 02:39 AM
In a previous post I promised to post a thread documenting my experience upgrading from my old CS350 (which wouldn't charge battery anymore) to the Signet 200. So, here goes....

- spent quite a bit of time upfront mapping the wires coming into the CS350 to the physical zones in my house (6 in total), popped a tag on each wire for later identification in the Signet panel.
- read up on the Signet panel, which comes with a wealth of technical documentation on the CD that comes with it. Major differences (relevant to my upgrade):
1.Signet defaults to using Dual EOL, where my CS350 was SEOL.
2.Signet DEOL resistors are 2K2, CS350 4K7 (the resistor values can be changed on the Signet panel).
3. Each pair of zones on the Signet shares a common(negative) terminal, where each zone on the CS350 has it's own common(negative) terminal.
4.Signet panel has USB connection, which allows it to be configured using
the supplied software, via a laptop connected to the panel :-)
- I opted to re-wire all 6 zones of my house to DEOL, since
a) this is the default of the Signet panel, so likely path of least resistance(I'm from a software background, so know that 'default' values are typically the best tested).
b) this would allow me to effectively identify which zone was faulty or being tampered with (I didn't like the fact that the CS350 had all 6 zone tampers wired in series to the same tamper circuit and even on the Signet if I configured for SEOL then it only has 2 external aux tamper circuits).

Now this step took me about 3 hrs in total, as I went through each sensor (starting at EOL sensor), added resistor(s) and finally checked resistance values for tamper, closed, open... however, given that my system didn't have any maintenance in 12 years of use it served as a good excercise to make sure everything working well. I also discovered two sensors that had had their tampers bypassed :-(

- Next step I got up to the bellbox and disconnected the battery (actually I was replacing my bellbox with a HKC SABB, so took the old one down).
- Next I disconnected each zone from the CS350 one by one, took the panel off the wall and mounted the Signet panel in it's place (bigger footprint on the wall but not a big deal).
- routing the wires into the Signet panel was 'cosy' but not complex. All wires were able to sit behind the panel enclosure, even once mounted on the wall.
- I then connected each zone one by one using the label I'd put on the wires(this time, only 2 wires per zone due to DEOL config). This was very straightforward and alot less 'messy' than the wire maze that existed in my CS350, largely due to the DEOL config I'd setup for the Signet.
- I then connected the RKPD and switched on...
...
No issues at all, all 6 zones identified :-)
- I then connected the Signet config software and used it to config each of my zones from their defaults to the actual values I needed, configured users etc.
- I then checked that all the zones were working well using the testing options in the Signet software (they were!).
- Next I connected the internal buzzer and the external SABB I did some basic testing of these and everything more or less worked first time.

In total, it probably took me about a day to do all this, not including prep time spent reading up on signet panel and playing with signet config s/w to get familiar with it.

The only gotchas I found:

- The Signet config software is a bit fussy about running on Vista/Windows 7. I needed to install/re-install, disconnect/reconnect my USB connection a number of times before things settled down. Some of that could be due to my laptop but the manual does seem to indicate that there were some issues with the config s/w on Vista.

However, the software itself is excellent as it means you can test and configure your panel from your PC, rather than trying to navigate through a seeming infinite list of menus on a keypad. you can also save your panel config offline and later do a restore to a known good config.

Anyway, sorry for the long post but just wanted to share my experience doing this panel upgrade.

Admin
01-27-2010, 09:49 AM
Glad everything went well. Seems like a good experiance for you.

dougoh
01-28-2010, 12:48 AM
yes, very good experience and I'm very impressed with the quality of the Signet panel. My next task is to replace a dummy bellbox at the back of the house with a real one.

Admin
01-28-2010, 03:42 PM
Start on the Home Automation (X10) & the fun really starts.

dougoh
02-07-2010, 08:32 PM
ok, so scope creep crept in and I've done a bit more(not as far as X.10 home automation just yet). So, to continue sharing my experience :) :

- I installed a real bellbox (HKC) at the back of the house (used to be a dummy one). The only complication was routing the 6 core wire for it through the attic with all the nasty Fiberglass up there and getting this back to the panel :( I must admit to cheating, as I found the main 6 core cable to the primary bellbox in the attic and just linked the cable from the secondary bellbox direct to it(all individual wires linked to panel in parallel, aside from bellbox tamper circuit which is in series). So, all connections done in the attic rather than at the panel. I know, not clean but it appears to work.

- I bought the PSTN module for the Signet Panel(about EUR 70 inc VAT) and set it up over the weekend. This is basically just a V.90 modem like we all used to use in the bad old days of the internet to connect to our ISPs. It can be used to dialout on a normal land line and also to accept dial in calls. For dialout you can connect to the Eircom SMS centre and have the panel automatically send you a text message if the Alarm goes off. It's quick and effective, from my testing of it. For dialin your panel basically acts like an ISP. You use your XP/Vista/Windows 7 laptop to call your panel (using your laptop's modem). You get an IP address from the panel and then you use your web browser to connect to it via that IP address and configure it from your browser. Works great.

One other benefit to the PSTN modem module: I can dial in and configure the panel from my laptop without taking the front cover off :) Modem Speed isn't an issue as you're not exchanging lots of data with the panel anyway. So, I'd highly recommend the PSTN module for the cost of it. The GSM one would be ideal but it's like paying to have an extra mobile phone, which is overkill for me. ok, you can text the panel to have it do stuff (you can't text the panel with the PSTN module as best as I can make out) but I haven't started down the X.10 route just yet, so this doesn't bother me!

With the gift of hindsight, if I had it all to do again I probably should have gotten the 220 or 300 panel with the ethernet connection on it in the first place. Could have done all I stated above but without the hassle of going back to the dark ages of messing with modems.

Anyway that's it for me. No more messing with my panel for now. In summary I'd say the migration from CS350 to Signet was pretty straight forward and with all the extra stuff I've done (small incremental steps with the help of the info on this forum) I've got a far more functionally advanced system than I had before for not alot of cash outlay.

Admin
02-08-2010, 12:13 PM
Good work.
Rumour has it Europlex are bringing out a SigNet 100 with webserver later this year.
So an upgrade would be relativly cheap.

abner
01-26-2011, 06:30 AM
In a previous post I promised to post a thread documenting my experience upgrading from my old CS350 (which wouldn't charge battery anymore) to the Signet 200. So, here goes....

- spent quite a bit of time upfront mapping the wires coming into the CS350 to the physical zones in my house (6 in total), popped a tag on each wire for later identification in the Signet panel.
- read up on the Signet panel, which comes with a wealth of technical documentation on the CD that comes with it. Major differences (relevant to my upgrade):
1.Signet defaults to using Dual EOL, where my CS350 was SEOL.
2.Signet DEOL resistors are 2K2, CS350 4K7 (the resistor values can be changed on the Signet panel).
3. Each pair of zones on the Signet shares a common(negative) terminal, where each zone on the CS350 has it's own common(negative) terminal.
4.Signet panel has USB connection, which allows it to be configured using
the supplied software, via a laptop connected to the panel :-)
- I opted to re-wire all 6 zones of my house to DEOL, since
a) this is the default of the Signet panel, so likely path of least resistance(I'm from a software background, so know that 'default' values are typically the best tested).
b) this would allow me to effectively identify which zone was faulty or being tampered with (I didn't like the fact that the CS350 had all 6 zone tampers wired in series to the same tamper circuit and even on the Signet if I configured for SEOL then it only has 2 external aux tamper circuits).

Now this step took me about 3 hrs in total, as I went through each sensor (starting at EOL sensor), added resistor(s) and finally checked resistance values for tamper, closed, open... however, given that my system didn't have any maintenance in 12 years of use it served as a good excercise to make sure everything working well. I also discovered two sensors that had had their tampers bypassed :-(

- Next step I got up to the bellbox and disconnected the battery (actually I was replacing my bellbox with a HKC SABB, so took the old one down).
- Next I disconnected each zone from the CS350 one by one, took the panel off the wall and mounted the Signet panel in it's place (bigger footprint on the wall but not a big deal).
- routing the wires into the Signet panel was 'cosy' but not complex. All wires were able to sit behind the panel enclosure, even once mounted on the wall.
- I then connected each zone one by one using the label I'd put on the wires(this time, only 2 wires per zone due to DEOL config). This was very straightforward and alot less 'messy' than the wire maze that existed in my CS350, largely due to the DEOL config I'd setup for the Signet.
- I then connected the RKPD and switched on...
...
No issues at all, all 6 zones identified :-)
- I then connected the Signet config software and used it to config each of my zones from their defaults to the actual values I needed, configured users etc.
- I then checked that all the zones were working well using the testing options in the Signet software (they were!).
- Next I connected the internal buzzer and the external SABB I did some basic testing of these and everything more or less worked first time.

In total, it probably took me about a day to do all this, not including prep time spent reading up on signet panel and playing with signet config s/w to get familiar with it.

The only gotchas I found:

- The Signet config software is a bit fussy about running on Vista/Windows 7. I needed to install/re-install, disconnect/reconnect my USB connection a number of times before things settled down. Some of that could be due to my laptop but the manual does seem to indicate that there were some issues with the config s/w on Vista.

However, the software itself is excellent as it means you can test and configure your panel from your PC, rather than trying to navigate through a seeming infinite list of menus on a keypad. you can also save your panel config offline and later do a restore to a known good config.

Anyway, sorry for the long post but just wanted to share my experience doing this panel upgrade.

O that's nice if you have upgrade the system. I thing every software is upgraded time to time and have a new look and new amendments in it.